Saturday, April 23, 2016

ASOIAF: Do you think any groups in ASOIAF support or are secretly in league with the Others?

First of all, so little is known about the motivation and goals of so many groups and organizations including the Others. So anything anybody writes has to be taken with a grain of salt for now.
Oh...and...spoilers.
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I don't think anybody explicitly supports them.
My feeling, which is virtually evidence-free--just warning you--is that their may be groups or individuals whose power or magic might be somehow harmonious with theirs. I don't think they are supporting them. Or even consciously in cahoots working towards some goal. Just that whatever powers the Others might power other groups.
1. The Warlocks of Qarth.
The two reasons I feel that their energy is similar to the other is the recurring theme of BLUE. AS we know the Other's (and their undead wight minions) are known to have bright shinging blue eyes.
The Undying Ones and the Warlocks--I think they are, if not exactly the same, different levels of the same thing--have purple blue lips from drinking the hallucinogenic Shade of the Evening. The Warlocks' skin is otherwise pale white but  in the case of the ancient Undying Ones, they have drunk so much Shade of the Evening that their very skin is bluish purple.
And this is, seriously one of the creepiest images for me in the whole book:
A long stone table filled this room. Above it floated a human heart, swollen and blue with corruption, yet still alive. It beat a deep ponderous throb of sound, and each pulse sent out a wash of indigo light. The figures around the table were no more than blue shadows.....
A Clash of Kings (italics mine)
Heart, huh? A blue heart. As opposed to the red fiery heart....of the Lord of Light. Just sayin'.
After this, Dany, who has partaken in some Shade of the Evening and is definitely tripping, seeing visions and so on, is attacked by them:
The Undying were all around her, blue and cold[italics mine] whispering as they reached for her, pulling, stroking, tugging at her clothes, touching her with tehir dry cold hands, twining their fingers through her hair....She felt a hand on her bare breast, twisting her nipple. Teeth found the soft skin of her throat. A mouth desended on one eye, licking sucking, biting...
A Clash of Kings
Mad creepy.
The other piece of evidence is the oft repeated  saw: Fire consumes but cold preserves. The relevance is preservation seem to be what the Undying Ones are after: they simply are trying to stay alive--forever.
So the Others, with their association with ice and magic sort of remind me of that.
They might not even be aware of each other, mind you. They just seem to be partaking from a similar or the same magic source.
It's tenuous. But so are a lot of connections in A Song of Ice and Fire.
2. Euron Greyjoy
Warlocks  make me think that Euron Greyjoy, who has captured the warlocks(and reportedly forced them to cannibalize one of their number while in his captivity), who also drinks the hallucinogenic Shade of the Evening, might have some similar connection as well. Some people think he's connected to Bloodraven somehow; or perhaps the 'anti-Bloodraven', as it were.
These are pretty 'out-there' theories. I just like the way they feel.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I think that there is some connection.
3. Faceless Men
I've read fairly plausible theories(well, plausible as far as these things go) that the FAceless Men are working to support the Others(although not necessarily with the Others' knowledge) because their goal is to give the 'Gift of Death' to all mankind. This one has quite a lot of solid thinking behind it. And yet....I don't like it. I don't think that the Faceless Men are out for mass extinction of the Human Race. But again, who knows.

Anyway, they  certainly deliver both the heebs and the jeebs. Just not necessarily the same kind, for me.

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